Overall it would appear that are society has changed and grown in its attitude towards gays and lesbians. Yet, our culture is still steeped in deep prejudices towards those who are not classified as heterosexual. The other day I was walking through a University campus and a small group of guys were joking around with each other. One fellow in particular turned and said "I going to whip your butt"; the other fellow responded “what are you a homo"? I understand these were young men, joking around but the fact remains that they see homosexuality as being very negative and being a “homo” would be the last thing that they would want to be “accused” of being. As a lesbian woman walking past and overhearing this conversation I was disturbed by this, as I ruminated on how homophobia is still so deeply embedded in the fabric of our society. Not that this should comes as a great surprise to me as I have members of my own family who are very homophobic. Because of this attitude I have not yet come out to my family for fear that I may loose my relationship with them. This is difficult for me at times, because I feel like I have to do a lot of sidestepping when the conversation turns to that of intimate relationships. Not to long ago my older sister and I were having a conversation regarding divorce and how there is no percentage difference in divorce rates among those who attend church and those who do not. (We were referring to the fundamentalist churches). She then turned to me and said “I wonder if the same percentage applies to people who are gay”? In other words kids who grow up in the church are they as likely to be gay as those who do not grow up in the church? I just kind of looked at her stunned for a moment, not sure whether she was giving me an opening or if she really is totally clueless to my sexuality. I know that someday I will share with my family; however I am still at the place where I am not willing to risk rejection. So needless to say, off the cuff comments such as those made by the young men at the University triggers within me my own very personal struggles that I face with homophobia.
I read your post with considerable interest. In fact as a gay man it moved me to aknowledge the sense of sadness I have felt all my life as I have struggled with hate directed at queer culture in general and myself in particular.
Over the course of my life I have been beaten by the police, suffered abuse and betrayal by my family (physical,emotional+financial) and unethical treatment in business dealings with my township/council. This affected my business' viability and day to day operations. Such hate inspired behaviours are no different from the Nazi treatment of Jewish business operations in 1930-35 Germany.
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I wish I could say that coming out has been for me easy .I wish also that I could say that my family accepted me as I am. Alas, this has not been the case, however stepping out to live my life as nature intended has been a great and empowering experience .
I congradulate you for your honesty , courage ,wish you well and thank-you for your posting!
Your post really resonates for me, so thank you for it. As a lesbian woman there are times that I too am reminded that these prejudices are still very alive in our society. Similar to your experience I have also overheard tidbits of conversation that have the same theme. With the message that "being" gay is the worst thing to be in this world.
Some years back, I was walking alone one evening and a car full of younger males passed by me and from the car window I heard first hoots and hollers and then comments such as "your a dyke", seemingly being directed at me. At the time it did take me aback because it was my first obvious and overt experience of having that energy directed at me.
Maybe these comments were the result of it being obvious that I wasn't flattered by their objectification of me as a woman, walking alone down the street.
I have not shared with my family that I'm a lesbian both because I know that we hold different views on many issues and also because I know that a number of the individuals in my family are homophobic. I've listened silently to the comments made by members of my family through the years. Ranging from " those bloody gays" to the belief that gays go straight to hell for having same sex relationships. I remember vividly being a young girl and being in the living room of my grandparents house when the news came on talking about the gay pride parade and how just the mere visibility of "gays" infuriated my grandfather. I didn't understand that day the meaning that that would come to hold for me. So there is a whole lot of silence around the topic of myself and relationships. But I know that being true to myself and open in that is of big importance to me, so the day will come when I will be open. Really though the most important thing is that I am ok with who I am.
Regardless of knowing that this energy still exists and is present around us I will never be ashamed of my love for women and I dare to say, that for me truly loving and being true in my love for a woman is the best thing in the world and so so far from the worst!
I can understand why you'd be stirred by those young thuds. A few months ago a female friend and I were walking arm-in-arm not too far from my home when a stranger unexpectedly stopped us and blurted out the following words: "Kill two birds with one stone". Her arm was raised out towards us and she had her fingers shaped like a gun. I'd never been the target of such a blatant form of homophobia and was shocked by the level of hatred and ignorance involved. Clearly, more work needs to happen out there, but I feel hopeful. I wish you luck and support in coming out to your family.
The first time I heard the word ‘gay’ I was 19. In the country I come from, there are no gays - at least that’s what my parents believe. They know, of course, that some men and women secretly desire others of their own gender, but given how secret and shameful their desires are, they keep them to themselves, behind the closed doors, which makes them not exist in any public way. They can be safely ignored.
When I told my parents I was gay, their first real question (following months of trying to ‘cure’ me) was whether anyone knew. Why the exhibitionism, why holding hands on the street, shoving it in people faces, they argued. Why tell colleagues at work – you can always tactfully skip the question when such matters arise. Hide it for the sickness it is.
Well, Mom and Dad, today I get married. Today I make a public statement of commitment, stand up before all to sanctify my love for a woman. You don’t like the word ‘gay’? Try ‘marriage’. You know that word.
It was wonderful to receive such warm support and congratulations from those who shared my story – if not in detail, then in spirit. What struck me in all of them was that following one’s own path seem to be often accompanied by a loss of those whom we previously considered a family. Even the unsupportive or disparaging family is still a family, and the loss is real. I have been fortunate to deal with this loss with my wonderful therapist who has encouraged me to share another story, this time not of loss, but of gain.
After my partner and I got married, my family and I ceased contact. It seemed that all the plans we had for future, which included starting a family, had to be borne out by the two of us alone. We felt excited to be finally doing what we wanted, but also a bit daunted, at the enourmous task that we would have to undertake alone.
Then, a few weeks ago, we were invited for dinner by the parent’s of my partner’s best friend, who is also gay. His parents (let’s call them Ann & Bob) were almost a kind of step-family for my partner, and we had frequently enjoyed their hospitality, even when their son, who studies in a different city, was away. So, as we were chatting after dinner, the conversation turned to our future. My partner started telling them about our plan to start a family, and jokingly implied their son would be a perfect father to our child. It was a joke, yet remembering what followed it still moves me as I write this.
Ann stopped short and said… “My God, that would be wonderful!” Her face brightened with the thought, and an enthusiasm I haven’t witnessed before, poured out. Within two minutes Ann and Bob were making plans about their future grandchild, about us as their daughters-in-law, about summer plans, the ways in which they could help us… all of the things that my partner and I expected and hoped for from our ‘blood’ family, but never got.
I think it was that evening that it dawned on me that there is no such thing as ‘blood’ family. There are those who want to share their lives with you, and those who don’t, and blood has very little to do with it. No matter what my partner and I choose to do in the future, Ann and Bob gave us a breath-taking lesson in what ‘family’ really is.
Your post really touches me as I have had similar experiences with the issue of blood family and acceptance of my life choices.
When my partner and I got together over 15 years ago there was no legal marriage avaialble to us; however, we considered ourselves married with the exchange of rings and commitment. My family, for all its epousal of liberal thought never accepted my marriage or treated my partner as a member of the family like the rest of the spouses.
My mother would plan birthday parties, etc., for me and never ask my partner whether she had planned something for me or how they could co-ordinate a party; although she would always call the spouses of my brothers and sister in regards to any plans. My partner felt so excluded and shunned by my family that I basically went to all family affairs alone, just as if I weren't married.
On my partner's side, her parents were fundamentalist Christians who would have disowned her completely if they'd ever found out. And this would have been too much to bear for my partner. Fortunatly they did not live in the same country as us, so we maintained the lie that we were just "best friends" when they came to visit.
While there were moments when this discrimination and sense of isolation would get to me, for the most part I came to accept that my family and hers were not going to be what a family ought to be. My family would be with my partner.
However, when my partner passed away suddenly almost 3 1/2 years ago now, the sense of my marraige not being validated hit me like a speeding train.
At the memorial service my patners family were considered her family and not me. In fact it was a close friend of both my partner and I who arranged the service in collaboration with my partners family. I met secretly with my friend to have my in-put into the service. As silly as this sounds, even how they dressed her for the viweing enraged me - its not how my partner would have wanted to be dressed.
My own family barely acknowledged the loss and I was more than relieved that they didn't come to the service. My friend, my therapist and a few other close friends were the real family support that brought me through that time. Even now, as I feel widdowed this feeling goes profoundly socially unvalidated. It can feel at times like my marriage never happened.
Having said that, my circle of friends and support hold me and validate my experiences and relationships in the loving way that family should and to me, this makes them more family than blood ever could.
Thank you for your post and congratulations on your marriage! I understand what it is like to come from a culture where loving another person of the same gender is kept hidden or ultimately denied. The culture I speak of is not that of a country or an ethnicity but rather the culture (or subculture if you like) of Christian fundamentalism. I grew up entrenched in a belief system where all sex outside of marriage was sinful and homosexuality was deviant and even perhaps of the devil. As an adult, I continued in the same belief system and was very active in the church and ministry. However, in my early twenties I found myself intensely attracted to women and was tortured inwardly by the struggle of my sexuality. This brought me a tremendous amount of grief, condemnation and shame. I was also petrified that I would be found out and that everything would be stripped from me. I spent countless night by my beside pleading with God to deliver me from homosexuality. After a number of years and much wrestling mentally, emotionally and spiritually I embraced my sexuality. However, it did come with a price and I experienced a number of losses including a woman who had been my spiritual mentor for over 20 years. The fundementalist subculture in my experience is very closed and rejecting. I still have not been able to share with my family for fear of complete rejection. Thankfully, I have been able to connect with a wonderful psychotherapist who has given me the freedom to explore who I am with acceptance and without judgement. So to the person who posted I applaud you for your courage to step outside the cultural "norms" of which you grew up in and I also congratulate you again on your marriage.
I congratulate you as well and celebrate your union with you! My story is a little different and yet not different at all. When I was a young girl, I had these strange feelings towards girls and it freaked me out. When I was about 13 I found out that my father was gay and so when at age 15 I fell in love with another girl, I thought my family would understand; after all, we'd accepted my dad and his partner as members of the family.
But one morning after a sleep over with my girlfriend, my mother caught on to our sexual relationship and went ballistic. She forbid me to see my girlfriend and my mother and I spent the next two years in screaming fights over her refusal to allow the relationship. In fact by the time I turned 16, she kicked me out of the house - sending me away to Boarding school and telling my house-mother that I was not suppose to have any contact with my girlfriend.
My mother was absolutely determined to stop the relationship, no matter the cost (including my own suicide attempts) claiming that it was not about it being a gay relationship, but about it being co-dependent and unhealthy. Her spin on my sexuality as co-dependent and unhealthy continued even into my 10 year marriage to a woman. And still she claims it's not about my sexual orientation. I have come to know that my family's homophobia runs deeply and insidiously, including from my gay father who has issues with lesbians.
This untwisting of my sexuality from the judgments of my family has taken a while with the help of a very caring and supportive therapist. I feel a strength and conviction around myself and my sexuality, its health and the beauty of the relationships that I explore now as a single lesbian woman.
Prejudice Still Remains
Overall it would appear that are society has changed and grown in its attitude towards gays and lesbians. Yet, our culture is still steeped in deep prejudices towards those who are not classified as heterosexual. The other day I was walking through a University campus and a small group of guys were joking around with each other. One fellow in particular turned and said "I going to whip your butt"; the other fellow responded “what are you a homo"? I understand these were young men, joking around but the fact remains that they see homosexuality as being very negative and being a “homo” would be the last thing that they would want to be “accused” of being. As a lesbian woman walking past and overhearing this conversation I was disturbed by this, as I ruminated on how homophobia is still so deeply embedded in the fabric of our society. Not that this should comes as a great surprise to me as I have members of my own family who are very homophobic. Because of this attitude I have not yet come out to my family for fear that I may loose my relationship with them. This is difficult for me at times, because I feel like I have to do a lot of sidestepping when the conversation turns to that of intimate relationships. Not to long ago my older sister and I were having a conversation regarding divorce and how there is no percentage difference in divorce rates among those who attend church and those who do not. (We were referring to the fundamentalist churches). She then turned to me and said “I wonder if the same percentage applies to people who are gay”? In other words kids who grow up in the church are they as likely to be gay as those who do not grow up in the church? I just kind of looked at her stunned for a moment, not sure whether she was giving me an opening or if she really is totally clueless to my sexuality. I know that someday I will share with my family; however I am still at the place where I am not willing to risk rejection. So needless to say, off the cuff comments such as those made by the young men at the University triggers within me my own very personal struggles that I face with homophobia.
Predjudice still remains
I read your post with considerable interest. In fact as a gay man it moved me to aknowledge the sense of sadness I have felt all my life as I have struggled with hate directed at queer culture in general and myself in particular.
Over the course of my life I have been beaten by the police, suffered abuse and betrayal by my family (physical,emotional+financial) and unethical treatment in business dealings with my township/council. This affected my business' viability and day to day operations. Such hate inspired behaviours are no different from the Nazi treatment of Jewish business operations in 1930-35 Germany.
.
I wish I could say that coming out has been for me easy .I wish also that I could say that my family accepted me as I am. Alas, this has not been the case, however stepping out to live my life as nature intended has been a great and empowering experience .
I congradulate you for your honesty , courage ,wish you well and thank-you for your posting!
Your post really resonates
Your post really resonates for me, so thank you for it. As a lesbian woman there are times that I too am reminded that these prejudices are still very alive in our society. Similar to your experience I have also overheard tidbits of conversation that have the same theme. With the message that "being" gay is the worst thing to be in this world.
Some years back, I was walking alone one evening and a car full of younger males passed by me and from the car window I heard first hoots and hollers and then comments such as "your a dyke", seemingly being directed at me. At the time it did take me aback because it was my first obvious and overt experience of having that energy directed at me.
Maybe these comments were the result of it being obvious that I wasn't flattered by their objectification of me as a woman, walking alone down the street.
I have not shared with my family that I'm a lesbian both because I know that we hold different views on many issues and also because I know that a number of the individuals in my family are homophobic. I've listened silently to the comments made by members of my family through the years. Ranging from " those bloody gays" to the belief that gays go straight to hell for having same sex relationships. I remember vividly being a young girl and being in the living room of my grandparents house when the news came on talking about the gay pride parade and how just the mere visibility of "gays" infuriated my grandfather. I didn't understand that day the meaning that that would come to hold for me. So there is a whole lot of silence around the topic of myself and relationships. But I know that being true to myself and open in that is of big importance to me, so the day will come when I will be open. Really though the most important thing is that I am ok with who I am.
Regardless of knowing that this energy still exists and is present around us I will never be ashamed of my love for women and I dare to say, that for me truly loving and being true in my love for a woman is the best thing in the world and so so far from the worst!
I can understand why you'd be
I can understand why you'd be stirred by those young thuds. A few months ago a female friend and I were walking arm-in-arm not too far from my home when a stranger unexpectedly stopped us and blurted out the following words: "Kill two birds with one stone". Her arm was raised out towards us and she had her fingers shaped like a gun. I'd never been the target of such a blatant form of homophobia and was shocked by the level of hatred and ignorance involved. Clearly, more work needs to happen out there, but I feel hopeful. I wish you luck and support in coming out to your family.
As a gay manI applaud your
As a gay manI applaud your courage and conviction in the face of such challanging
issues. Perhaps thru open exploration and acceptance of "our divine sexuality"( such
as exemplified by your own storey) we are all free to a greater degree than before.
To paraphrase...until we are all free to be lesbians. none of us is free!
Thank you, Douglas
The first time I heard the
When I told my parents I was gay, their first real question (following months of trying to ‘cure’ me) was whether anyone knew. Why the exhibitionism, why holding hands on the street, shoving it in people faces, they argued. Why tell colleagues at work – you can always tactfully skip the question when such matters arise. Hide it for the sickness it is.
Well, Mom and Dad, today I get married. Today I make a public statement of commitment, stand up before all to sanctify my love for a woman. You don’t like the word ‘gay’? Try ‘marriage’. You know that word.
Blood Family
It was wonderful to receive such warm support and congratulations from those who shared my story – if not in detail, then in spirit. What struck me in all of them was that following one’s own path seem to be often accompanied by a loss of those whom we previously considered a family. Even the unsupportive or disparaging family is still a family, and the loss is real. I have been fortunate to deal with this loss with my wonderful therapist who has encouraged me to share another story, this time not of loss, but of gain.
After my partner and I got married, my family and I ceased contact. It seemed that all the plans we had for future, which included starting a family, had to be borne out by the two of us alone. We felt excited to be finally doing what we wanted, but also a bit daunted, at the enourmous task that we would have to undertake alone.
Then, a few weeks ago, we were invited for dinner by the parent’s of my partner’s best friend, who is also gay. His parents (let’s call them Ann & Bob) were almost a kind of step-family for my partner, and we had frequently enjoyed their hospitality, even when their son, who studies in a different city, was away. So, as we were chatting after dinner, the conversation turned to our future. My partner started telling them about our plan to start a family, and jokingly implied their son would be a perfect father to our child. It was a joke, yet remembering what followed it still moves me as I write this.
Ann stopped short and said… “My God, that would be wonderful!” Her face brightened with the thought, and an enthusiasm I haven’t witnessed before, poured out. Within two minutes Ann and Bob were making plans about their future grandchild, about us as their daughters-in-law, about summer plans, the ways in which they could help us… all of the things that my partner and I expected and hoped for from our ‘blood’ family, but never got.
I think it was that evening that it dawned on me that there is no such thing as ‘blood’ family. There are those who want to share their lives with you, and those who don’t, and blood has very little to do with it. No matter what my partner and I choose to do in the future, Ann and Bob gave us a breath-taking lesson in what ‘family’ really is.
Blood Family and Family of choice
Your post really touches me as I have had similar experiences with the issue of blood family and acceptance of my life choices.
When my partner and I got together over 15 years ago there was no legal marriage avaialble to us; however, we considered ourselves married with the exchange of rings and commitment. My family, for all its epousal of liberal thought never accepted my marriage or treated my partner as a member of the family like the rest of the spouses.
My mother would plan birthday parties, etc., for me and never ask my partner whether she had planned something for me or how they could co-ordinate a party; although she would always call the spouses of my brothers and sister in regards to any plans. My partner felt so excluded and shunned by my family that I basically went to all family affairs alone, just as if I weren't married.
On my partner's side, her parents were fundamentalist Christians who would have disowned her completely if they'd ever found out. And this would have been too much to bear for my partner. Fortunatly they did not live in the same country as us, so we maintained the lie that we were just "best friends" when they came to visit.
While there were moments when this discrimination and sense of isolation would get to me, for the most part I came to accept that my family and hers were not going to be what a family ought to be. My family would be with my partner.
However, when my partner passed away suddenly almost 3 1/2 years ago now, the sense of my marraige not being validated hit me like a speeding train.
At the memorial service my patners family were considered her family and not me. In fact it was a close friend of both my partner and I who arranged the service in collaboration with my partners family. I met secretly with my friend to have my in-put into the service. As silly as this sounds, even how they dressed her for the viweing enraged me - its not how my partner would have wanted to be dressed.
My own family barely acknowledged the loss and I was more than relieved that they didn't come to the service. My friend, my therapist and a few other close friends were the real family support that brought me through that time. Even now, as I feel widdowed this feeling goes profoundly socially unvalidated. It can feel at times like my marriage never happened.
Having said that, my circle of friends and support hold me and validate my experiences and relationships in the loving way that family should and to me, this makes them more family than blood ever could.
Thank you for your post and
Thank you for your post and congratulations on your marriage! I understand what it is like to come from a culture where loving another person of the same gender is kept hidden or ultimately denied. The culture I speak of is not that of a country or an ethnicity but rather the culture (or subculture if you like) of Christian fundamentalism. I grew up entrenched in a belief system where all sex outside of marriage was sinful and homosexuality was deviant and even perhaps of the devil. As an adult, I continued in the same belief system and was very active in the church and ministry. However, in my early twenties I found myself intensely attracted to women and was tortured inwardly by the struggle of my sexuality. This brought me a tremendous amount of grief, condemnation and shame. I was also petrified that I would be found out and that everything would be stripped from me. I spent countless night by my beside pleading with God to deliver me from homosexuality. After a number of years and much wrestling mentally, emotionally and spiritually I embraced my sexuality. However, it did come with a price and I experienced a number of losses including a woman who had been my spiritual mentor for over 20 years. The fundementalist subculture in my experience is very closed and rejecting. I still have not been able to share with my family for fear of complete rejection. Thankfully, I have been able to connect with a wonderful psychotherapist who has given me the freedom to explore who I am with acceptance and without judgement. So to the person who posted I applaud you for your courage to step outside the cultural "norms" of which you grew up in and I also congratulate you again on your marriage.
I congratulate you as well
I congratulate you as well and celebrate your union with you! My story is a little different and yet not different at all. When I was a young girl, I had these strange feelings towards girls and it freaked me out. When I was about 13 I found out that my father was gay and so when at age 15 I fell in love with another girl, I thought my family would understand; after all, we'd accepted my dad and his partner as members of the family.
But one morning after a sleep over with my girlfriend, my mother caught on to our sexual relationship and went ballistic. She forbid me to see my girlfriend and my mother and I spent the next two years in screaming fights over her refusal to allow the relationship. In fact by the time I turned 16, she kicked me out of the house - sending me away to Boarding school and telling my house-mother that I was not suppose to have any contact with my girlfriend.
My mother was absolutely determined to stop the relationship, no matter the cost (including my own suicide attempts) claiming that it was not about it being a gay relationship, but about it being co-dependent and unhealthy. Her spin on my sexuality as co-dependent and unhealthy continued even into my 10 year marriage to a woman. And still she claims it's not about my sexual orientation. I have come to know that my family's homophobia runs deeply and insidiously, including from my gay father who has issues with lesbians.
This untwisting of my sexuality from the judgments of my family has taken a while with the help of a very caring and supportive therapist. I feel a strength and conviction around myself and my sexuality, its health and the beauty of the relationships that I explore now as a single lesbian woman.